Interview | Narcissism & the Enneagram with Chuck DeGroat

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram.

• Abram quotes Russ Hudson re: coddling our own narcissism [3:12]
• The highlight of Chuck’s career [4:02]
• When Chuck received the enneagram into his heart [6:15]
• About Chuck’s book, When Narcissism Comes to Church [8:00]
• Chuck’s definition of narcissism [9:35]
• On Narcissistic Personality Disorder [11:45]
• Narcissistic style, type, and disorder [12:40]
• Narcissism and success [14:55]
• Epigenetics [15:33]
• The difference between acting narcissistic and being a narcissist [16:30]
• Having spiritual authority vs. being spiritually abusive [18:00]
• The nine faces of narcissism [19:00]
• The gift of healthy narcissism and original goodness [22:30]
• Narcissism and the enneagram triads [26:00]
• The concept of “splitting” and the path to transformation [30:25]
• The importance of shadow work [33:00]
• How we can use our narcissism to work towards healing and wholeness [34:47]
• Co-dependence and narcissism [38:15]
• Re: toxic positivity and toxic negativity [40:10]

Follow Chuck’s work at www.chuckdegroat.net.

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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