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Today we team up with the guys at the Art of Growth podcast, Jim Zartman and Joel Hubbard. Jim and Joel are trained in the Narrative Tradition of the enneagram and do some excellent enneagram work. We talked to them about their own stories and how the enneagram has helped them make sense of them. Our season theme of "story" plays a big role in how …
 
We are hard at work crafting the final few episodes of season 3 and wanted to highlight this wonderful episode we did back in the beginning of season 1. If you listen carefully, you'll pick up the elements of story we've been mentioning throughout the season. Knowing your story. Knowing what stories to drop and Understanding the stories of others. …
 
In this episode of Fathoms, we [Abram and Drew] are entirely and utterly Creekless but soldier on anyway to talk about the 9 Basic Propositions of the enneagram. These basic propositions, developed by the late Dr. David Daniels, provide a wealth of insight into the stories we try to live out from our character structure. 2:20 What is a "basic propo…
 
In this episode, Creek and Drew discuss how to handle the knowledge or the prediction when you know or encounter someone who is mistyped. How should one handle it? 01:33 Humility goes a long way 03:05 Start with the instincts 06:21 Being observative and compassionate with the person you’re interacting with 10:58 Examples with Russ Hudson and Nhien …
 
We’re all back together and today we’re talking with enneagram teacher Renee Rosario. Renee leads with Type 2 and is a core faculty member of The Narrative Tradition. Renee gives a winsome exploration of the heart and vision of the narrative approach, and provides some profound insight on the somatic insights of our stories. 3:35 A little bit about…
 
We want your questions! We are in the process of wrapping up this season and per usual we will be doing a Q & A for our season finale. It's one of our favorite episodes to do and we want to hear from you! linktr.ee/fathoms.enneagram In the meantime, as we prepare the remainder of the episodes for this season, we wanted to highlight a few other podc…
 
Fathom 15 | Can you change your number? In this short episode, the Seths considered an often asked question (while Drew was on vacation): Can you change your enneagram number? 0:40 The Seths attack Drew’s character behind his back. Lame. 2:00 Can we change our enneagram type? 4:00 “We’re not as mushy . . .” 7:00 If we could change our number, shoul…
 
Today, Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora returns to speak with us. Mario is the author of ​​Awareness to Action: The Enneagram, Emotional Intelligence, and Change and co-host of the Enneagram in a Movie podcast. Mario shares his insight on rewriting our narrative and how to take action to work on the clay that is our brain. 1:46 Th…
 
The Seths spend some time talking with our friend TJ Dawe [Type 4]. TJ is a writer, performer, director, and instructor. T.J. tells stories on stage and incorporates the enneagram into his work, helping others tell their stories on stage. Given our season’s theme of “story,” T.J. has some profound and winsome insight to help us tell our own stories…
 
Now that we’re well into Season 3 of this show, we wanted to have a conversation about our podcast. 1:00 Our choice to include a wide array of enneagram voices 3:05 How the theme of story impacts the way we welcome guests to the show 8:30 The boundaries we keep 9:35 James P. Carse - Finite and Infinite Games 13:25 *Knowing* the enneagram vs. the pr…
 
Today we get to spend some time with Ian Morgan Cron. You probably recognize Ian as co-author of The Road Back to You or host of the Typology podcast. We talk about his new book, The Story of You, the implications of the enneagram becoming “popular” and much more. 4:00 What led Ian to move to Nashville [aka his “punk move”] 6:45 Ian’s enneagram ori…
 
Today we’re joined by our good friend and returning guest, Lee Fields. Lee is a kind and brilliant soul, and helped us facilitate a fascinating conversation on the stories we live in the framework of fiction, memoir, and non-fiction. 2:20 Creek gives us all a pumpkin spiced latte update! 5:00 Lee on how temperament and personality develop the stori…
 
This was a fun, free-wheeling conversation on one of the lesser known foundational pieces to the modern enneagram: Oscar Ichazo’s Enneagram of Traps. The Traps are the ways each type falls into as a mistaken remedy to [attempt to] overcome the type’s mental fixation. Inspired by Abram’s Instagram series on the traps [@integratedenneagram] we riff o…
 
In this week’s episode, we have the privilege of talking with the one and only Beatrice Chestnut. Beatrice joined us to talk about her new book with Uranio Paes, The Enneagram Guide to Waking Up. But, the conversation doesn’t stop there. We get to know Beatrice beyond her enneagram teaching and writing, and the result was a fun and meaningful conve…
 
The one, the only Dr. Jerome Wagner joins us for a conversation on the polarities of the enneagram types. Jerome brings some unique wisdom that he was kind enough to share. His four R’s are brilliant and helpful. Jerry’s books and teachings have been so foundational to the enneagram community that he was named an “Honorary Founder of the Internatio…
 
Welcome to another short episode where we answer one of the most googled enneagram questions: What’s the rarest enneagram type? 2:00 - Creek makes his case for the Type 4, and Abram thinks 9s and 4s are the ones asking the question 5:30 - Is it empirically possibly to know this? 6:30 - Raises the question: What’s the most common type? 7:30 - A theo…
 
WARNING: episode contains general references to childhood trauma and abuse. | Goodness this was an amazing conversation with the wise and kind “Dr. B.” Dr. B is a clinical psychologist specializing in early childhood development. Dr. B’s insights on story in early childhood, resilience, and ACEs [adverse childhood experiences] 7:00 - Dr. B explains…
 
For our first Fathom 15 of the season, we’re discussing a most frequently asked question on the enneagram, according to Google Analytics: What are the enneagram triads? 3:00 - There are multiple triadic groupings of the enneagram. 3:45 - The three centers of intelligence 6:00 - The stances [social styles/Hornevian groups] 8:10 - The harmony triads …
 
To kick off our season’s theme of “Story” we talk with Storybrand Certified Guide/marketing/branding guru David Tofilon. David is a kind, wise, soul who provides some profound insight into unpacking our stories. 1:15 - David describes himself in 3 words 3:30 - What is a Storybrand Certified Guide and what does it have to this podcast? 4:30 - An ove…
 
In this Introduction to Season 3 of Fathoms, the Seths and Drew spent a weekend at a cabin in the woods in Kentucky. We turned the microphones on and talked about our hopes for this season. We also reflect on previous seasons, talk about Creek’s Kentucky roots, and we INTRODUCED THIS SEASON’S THEME. Of course, Abram has a quote or two to share. Tha…
 
We are excited to finally be launching our trailer for this season. It’s been a long time coming but we’re excited to share what we’ve been learning. Our theme this year is, Story. Knowing our story, Finding what stories to drop, and Understanding the stories of others. We hope you’ll join us this season! Song: Can I Be Honest - Eric Lee Carpenter…
 
In our Season 2 Finale, the Seths and Drew take a trip down memory lane and reflect on the many depths explored. Then, with some help with our friends Lee Fields and Milton Stewart we answer listener questions. And finally, the guys celebrate a major podcast milestone complete with a roast from our good friend Kevin Smith. We’re already scheming on…
 
Take a calming, grounded journey in nature with Creek and enjoy this walking meditation. This is 25 minutes well spent. Have a question? Send it to us through our instagram account! Our DMs our open. **If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!** — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts: Se…
 
Surprise! Enjoy this bonus episode with our friends Bekah TenHaken and Molly Tindall, the creative and kind geniuses behind Enneagram Magazine. Enneagram Magazine is a bold, profound, and beautiful contribution to today’s enneagram landscape. Thanks to Bekah and Molly for joining us to talk about it! And use the code: “FATHOMS” for 10% off your Enn…
 
In this Fathom 15, the Seths and guest co-host Lindsey Marks talk briefly with one our listeners, author/podcaster/speaker and loud laugher Annie F. Downs. Annie is a is a dominant Type 7 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “As a Type 7 with a strong 8 wing, how can I better relate to other numbers?” Abram’s take on how to consider the win…
 
While talking with Lynda Roberts, we also recorded a bonus meditation to share with you. Before you listen, grab a pen/pencil and a piece a paper, hit play, and engage this brief meditation focusing on a repeating question for each intelligence center. **If you like Fathoms, please leave a review!** Ways to find Lynda and her work: Lynda’s website:…
 
In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with one of our enneagram teachers, Lynda Roberts (Type 6). Lynda is an authorized Enneagram Institute teacher, former president of the Intl. Enneagram Association, and brings a wealth of enneagram experience and has some important wisdom on the inner critic of each type. Lynda’s enneagram journey [3:40] Lyn…
 
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one of our listeners in Malaysia, Chin Ai. Chin Ai is a Dominant Type 3 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “How do you draw the line between letting your type and dependencies become a self-fulfilling prophecy and proactively moving away from your type’s tendencies in a healthy and sustainable manne…
 
In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and addiction expert Michael Naylor (4w5). Michael was kind enough to join us from his home in Portland, Maine and talk to us about the intersection of personality and addition. Michael is a wise soul with a wealth of insight. Enjoy! A bit about Michael and his enneagram origin story […
 
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners in Zambia (but from Zimbabwe), Stacey Madgwick. Stacey is a dominant Type 4 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What does it look like for you to be present in your life in all 3 Centers of Intelligence (Body, Heart, Mind)?” Abram (Dominant Type 9] on reducing reactivity, not forci…
 
As promised, here’s Part 2 of our conversation with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. We said it before and we’ll say it again: If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. In this episode we dig into some of the depths of each enneagram type. Enjoy! The hypnotic “trance” of our type [0:55] Age regression and age…
 
In this episode, the Seths and Drew talk with enneagram LEGEND Tom Condon. If you’re serious about enneagram work, you need to know Tom Condon’s enneagram work. There’s so much goodness in our conversation with Tom that we had to divide it up into two episodes. So enjoy Part 1 and stay tuned for Part 2 next week. Tom’s enneagram origin story [4:40]…
 
In this Fathom 15, we talk briefly with one our listeners from “across the pond,” Stephen. Stephen is a dominant Type 8 and had a question for the Fathoms co-hosts: “What role does enneagram type play in habit formation?” How does the enneagram differ from other typologies when it comes to understanding habits and patterns? [4:15] Personality and p…
 
As promised, here is Part 2 with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. If you missed Part 1, go listen to it and then follow it up with this episode. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corpo…
 
Buckle up friends! This is Part 1 of a two-parter with Enneagram teacher and executive coach Mario Sikora. Mario has some interesting, innovative and, dare we say…controversial (to some) takes on the enneagram. HIs ability to translate some of the deeper concepts of the enneagram to the corporate sector is fascinating. Enjoy and stay tuned for Part…
 
In this Fathom 15 episode, Drew and the Seths talk about enneagram typing. They cover how they each discovered their type and different typing strategies they recommend. This brief episode is perfect for any struggling to discover their dominant enneagram type. Listen and then go type thyself! Abram’s typing journey [1:45] Creek’s typing journey [3…
 
In this episode of Fathoms - An Enneagram Podcast, Creek and Drew talk with enneagram teacher and functional neurologist Dr. Jerome D. Lubbe. Jerome is an enneagram innovator and the author of The Brain-Based Enneagram: You Are Not A Number. We get into some really fun and interesting intersections of science and the enneagram, and also talk about …
 
Fathom 15 | Personality vs. Personhood. What’s the difference between being a person and having a personality type? In this brief Fathom 15 episode, we talk about it. We contain multitudes. [2:00] You have a type. You are not your type.-Russ Hudson [4:35] Regarding the language we use to describe type [6:30] Knowing someone’s type doesn’t mean you …
 
2020 was a dumpster fire, and we walk into 2021 with great expectations. On this New Year’s Eve, we offer to you a powerful conversation about this threshold from one year to the next with our dear friend Leslie Hershberger. It’s tempting to shake off the dust of this past year and never look back. Maybe there’s another way? How do we honor and int…
 
Merry Christmas (Eve)! Tonight marks the end of Advent, and tomorrow begins Christmas-time! Enjoy this conversation with friend, pastor, and returning guest Jason Adam Miller of South Bend City Church. He shares with us a profound way to understand Advent in light of who we are…which leads us all to talk about the Advent of Ourselves for each Ennea…
 
In this episode, we talk with enneagram teacher and ordained unity minister Rev. Nhien Vuong. Nhien is a dynamic and thoughtful teacher and helps us see the ways in which we “bond through pain is we show up the right way.” Soak in her wisdom and be sure to check out her work! Nhien’s story first encountering the enneagram [5:40] The importance of b…
 
What if you were a). on an elevator, b). Someone you deeply admire and have always wanted to talked to joins you and c). Turns to you and asks, “What is the enneagram?”….what would you say? The Seths and Drew gave their attempts at their enneagram elevator pitches. Drew’s first attempt-“A framework of 9 pilgrimages of personhood…” [2:10] Creek-“9 D…
 
Greetings all you raging narcissists! In this episode of Fathoms, Drew and the Seths are joined by author, professor, counselor, and spiritual director Dr. Chuck DeGroat. We talk about his book, When Narcissism Comes to Church, which expands our stereotypical notions of narcissistic leaders through the lens of the enneagram. Abram quotes Russ Hudso…
 
Creek & Abram have a quick conversation about how to practically apply the things we talk about in the previous Thanksgiving episode (check your podcast feed). Creek then leads us in a meditation that no matter where you are, is exactly what you need. — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts…
 
In this Fathom 15, the guys provide a timely conversation for those celebrating Thanksgiving in the U.S. Holidays with family can be uniquely stressful, even more so amid a global pandemic. We hope this short episode helps you get through the day. If you need a break from the political debate, go find a quiet room and have a listen. On our own expe…
 
In this Fathom 15, the Seths and Drew explore this season’s guiding question: “What is your unique contribution to the enneagram conversation that provides the depth we need in our present world?” How this question is used in Season 2 [2:04] How the enneagram helps us see ourselves and how it helps us see the world [2:46] Solitary work that cannot …
 
Drew and the Seths interview their teacher, the one and only Nan Henson. Nan is a master enneagram teacher based in Atlanta, Georgia. She’s one of a select few of Enneagram Institute authorized teachers in the world. Nan is the founder of Enneagram Atlanta and co-founder of Enneagram Georgia. And you’ll want to stick around to the end of this episo…
 
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