2028 AGI, New Architectures, and Aligning Superhuman Models with Shane Legg, Deepmind Founder, on The Dwarkesh Podcast

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We're sharing a few of Nathan's favorite AI scouting episodes from other shows. Today, Shane Legg, Cofounder at Deepmind and its current Chief AGI Scientist, shares his insights with Dwarkesh Patel on AGI's timeline, the new architectures needed for AGI, and why multimodality will be the next big landmark. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00:00) - Episode Preview with Nathan’s Intro

(00:02:45) - Conversation with Dwarkesh and Shane begins

(00:14:26) - Do we need new architectures?

(00:17:31) - Sponsors: Shopify

(00:19:40) - Is search needed for creativity?

(00:31:46) - Impact of Deepmind on safety vs capabilities

(00:32:48) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky

(00:37:10) - Timelines

(00:45:18) - Multimodality

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