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166 - Can UX Quality Metrics Increase Your Data Product's Business Value and Adoption?
Manage episode 474508816 series 2527129
Today I am going to try to answer a fundamental question: how should you actually measure user experience, especially with data products—and tie this to business value? It's easy to get lost in analytics and think we're seeing the whole picture, but I argue that this is far from the truth. Product leaders need to understand the subjective experience of our users—and unfortunately, analytics does not tell us this.
The map is not the territory.
In this episode, I discuss why qualitative data and subjective experience is the data that will most help you make product decisions that will lead you to increased business value. If users aren't getting value from your product(s), and their lives aren’t improving, business value will be extremely difficult to create. So today, I share my thoughts on how to move beyond thinking that analytics is the only way to track UX, and how this helps product leaders uncover opportunities to produce better organizational value.
Ultimately, it’s about creating indispensable solutions and building trust, which is key for any product team looking to make a real impact. Hat tip to UX guru Jared Spool who inspired several of the concepts I share with you today.
Highlights/ Skip to
- Don't target adoption for adoption's sake, because product usage can be a tax or benefit (3:00)
- Why your analytical mind may bias you—and what changes you might have to do this type of product and user research work (7:31)
- How "making the user's life better" translates to organizational value (10:17)
- Using Jared Spool's roller coaster chart to measure your product’s user experience and find your opportunities and successes (13:05)
- How do you measure that you have done a good job with your UX? (17:28)
- Conclusions and final thoughts (21:06)
Quotes from Today’s Episode
- Usage doesn't automatically equal value. Analytics on your analytics is not telling you useful things about user experience or satisfaction. Why? "The map is not the territory." Analytics measure computer metrics, not feelings, and let's face it, users aren't always rational. To truly gauge user value, we need qualitative research - to talk to users - and to hear what their subjective experience is. Want *meaningful* adoption? Talk to and observe your users. That's how you know you are actually making things better. When it’s better for them, the business value will follow. (3:12)
- Make better things—where better is a measurement based on the subjective experience of the user—not analytics. Usable doesn’t mean they will necessarily want it. Sessions and page views don’t tell you how people *feel* about it. (7:39)
- Think about the dreadful tools you and so many have been forced to use: the things that waste your time and don’t let you focus on what’s really important. Ever talked to a data scientist who is sick of doing data prep instead of building models, and wondering, “why am I here? This isn’t what I went to school for.” Ignoring these personal frustrations and feelings and focusing only on your customers’ feature requests, JIRA tickets, stakeholder orders, requirements docs, and backlog items is why many teams end up building technically right, effectively wrong solutions. These end user frustrations are where we find our opportunities to delight—and create products and UXs that matter. To improve their lives, we need to dig into their workflows, identify frustrations, and understand the context around our data product solutions. Product leaders need to fall in love with the problems and the frustrations—these are the magic keys to the value kingdom. However, to do this well, you probably need to be doing less delivery and more discovery. (10:27)
- Imagine a line chart with a Y-axis that is "frustration" at the bottom to "delight" at the top. The X-axis is their user experience, taking place over time. As somebody uses your data product to do their job/task, you can plot their emotional journey. “Get the data, format the data, include the data in a tool, derive some conclusion, challenge the data, share it, make a decision” etc. As a product manager, you probably know what a use-case looks like. Your first job is to plot their existing experience trying/doing that use case with your data product. Where are they frustrated? Where are they delighted? Celebrate your peaks/delighters, and fall in love with the valleys where satisfaction work needs to be done. Connect the dots between these valleys and business value. Address the valleys—especially the ones that impede business value—and you’ll be on your way to “showing the value of your data product.” Analytics on your data product won’t tell you this information; the map is not the territory. (13:22)
- Analytics about your data product are lying to you. They give you the facts about the product, but not about the user. An example? “Time spent” doing a task. How long is too long? 5 minutes? 50? Analytics will tell you precisely how long it took. The problem is, it won’t tell you how long it FELT it took. And guess what? Your customers and users only care about how long it felt it took—vs. their expectation. Sure, at some point, analytics might eventually help—at scale—understand how your data product is doing—but first you have to understand how people FEEL about it. Only then will you know whether 5 minutes, or 50 minutes is telling you anything meaningful about what—if anything—needs to change. (16:17)
113 episodios
Manage episode 474508816 series 2527129
Today I am going to try to answer a fundamental question: how should you actually measure user experience, especially with data products—and tie this to business value? It's easy to get lost in analytics and think we're seeing the whole picture, but I argue that this is far from the truth. Product leaders need to understand the subjective experience of our users—and unfortunately, analytics does not tell us this.
The map is not the territory.
In this episode, I discuss why qualitative data and subjective experience is the data that will most help you make product decisions that will lead you to increased business value. If users aren't getting value from your product(s), and their lives aren’t improving, business value will be extremely difficult to create. So today, I share my thoughts on how to move beyond thinking that analytics is the only way to track UX, and how this helps product leaders uncover opportunities to produce better organizational value.
Ultimately, it’s about creating indispensable solutions and building trust, which is key for any product team looking to make a real impact. Hat tip to UX guru Jared Spool who inspired several of the concepts I share with you today.
Highlights/ Skip to
- Don't target adoption for adoption's sake, because product usage can be a tax or benefit (3:00)
- Why your analytical mind may bias you—and what changes you might have to do this type of product and user research work (7:31)
- How "making the user's life better" translates to organizational value (10:17)
- Using Jared Spool's roller coaster chart to measure your product’s user experience and find your opportunities and successes (13:05)
- How do you measure that you have done a good job with your UX? (17:28)
- Conclusions and final thoughts (21:06)
Quotes from Today’s Episode
- Usage doesn't automatically equal value. Analytics on your analytics is not telling you useful things about user experience or satisfaction. Why? "The map is not the territory." Analytics measure computer metrics, not feelings, and let's face it, users aren't always rational. To truly gauge user value, we need qualitative research - to talk to users - and to hear what their subjective experience is. Want *meaningful* adoption? Talk to and observe your users. That's how you know you are actually making things better. When it’s better for them, the business value will follow. (3:12)
- Make better things—where better is a measurement based on the subjective experience of the user—not analytics. Usable doesn’t mean they will necessarily want it. Sessions and page views don’t tell you how people *feel* about it. (7:39)
- Think about the dreadful tools you and so many have been forced to use: the things that waste your time and don’t let you focus on what’s really important. Ever talked to a data scientist who is sick of doing data prep instead of building models, and wondering, “why am I here? This isn’t what I went to school for.” Ignoring these personal frustrations and feelings and focusing only on your customers’ feature requests, JIRA tickets, stakeholder orders, requirements docs, and backlog items is why many teams end up building technically right, effectively wrong solutions. These end user frustrations are where we find our opportunities to delight—and create products and UXs that matter. To improve their lives, we need to dig into their workflows, identify frustrations, and understand the context around our data product solutions. Product leaders need to fall in love with the problems and the frustrations—these are the magic keys to the value kingdom. However, to do this well, you probably need to be doing less delivery and more discovery. (10:27)
- Imagine a line chart with a Y-axis that is "frustration" at the bottom to "delight" at the top. The X-axis is their user experience, taking place over time. As somebody uses your data product to do their job/task, you can plot their emotional journey. “Get the data, format the data, include the data in a tool, derive some conclusion, challenge the data, share it, make a decision” etc. As a product manager, you probably know what a use-case looks like. Your first job is to plot their existing experience trying/doing that use case with your data product. Where are they frustrated? Where are they delighted? Celebrate your peaks/delighters, and fall in love with the valleys where satisfaction work needs to be done. Connect the dots between these valleys and business value. Address the valleys—especially the ones that impede business value—and you’ll be on your way to “showing the value of your data product.” Analytics on your data product won’t tell you this information; the map is not the territory. (13:22)
- Analytics about your data product are lying to you. They give you the facts about the product, but not about the user. An example? “Time spent” doing a task. How long is too long? 5 minutes? 50? Analytics will tell you precisely how long it took. The problem is, it won’t tell you how long it FELT it took. And guess what? Your customers and users only care about how long it felt it took—vs. their expectation. Sure, at some point, analytics might eventually help—at scale—understand how your data product is doing—but first you have to understand how people FEEL about it. Only then will you know whether 5 minutes, or 50 minutes is telling you anything meaningful about what—if anything—needs to change. (16:17)
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1 167 - AI Product Management and Design: How Natalia Andreyeva and Team at Infor Nexus Create B2B Data Products that Customers Value 37:34

1 165 - How to Accommodate Multiple User Types and Needs in B2B Analytics and AI Products When You Lack UX Resources 49:04

1 164 - The Hidden UX Taxes that AI and LLM Features Impose on B2B Customers Without Your Knowledge 45:25

1 163 - It’s Not a Math Problem: How to Quantify the Value of Your Enterprise Data Products or Your Data Product Management Function 41:41

1 160 - Leading Product Through a Merger/Acquisition: Lessons from The Predictive Index’s CPO Adam Berke 42:10

1 159 - Uncorking Customer Insights: How Data Products Revealed Hidden Gems in Liquor & Hospitality Retail 40:47

1 158 - From Resistance to Reliance: Designing Data Products for Non-Believers with Anna Jacobson of Operator Collective 43:41

1 157 - How this materials science SAAS company brings PM+UX+data science together to help materials scientists accelerate R&D 34:58

1 156-The Challenges of Bringing UX Design and Data Science Together to Make Successful Pharma Data Products with Jeremy Forman 41:37

1 154 - 10 Things Founders of B2B SAAS Analytics and AI Startups Get Wrong About DIY Product and UI/UX Design 44:47

1 153 - What Impressed Me About How John Felushko Does Product and UX at the Analytics SAAS Company, LabStats 57:31

1 152 - 10 Reasons Not to Get Professional UX Design Help for Your Enterprise AI or SAAS Analytics Product 53:00

1 151 - Monetizing SAAS Analytics and The Challenges of Designing a Successful Embedded BI Product (Promoted Episode) 49:57

1 150 - How Specialized LLMs Can Help Enterprises Deliver Better GenAI User Experiences with Mark Ramsey 52:22

1 149 - What the Data Says About Why So Many Data Science and AI Initiatives Are Still Failing to Produce Value with Evan Shellshear 50:18



1 146 - (Rebroadcast) Beyond Data Science - Why Human-Centered AI Needs Design with Ben Shneiderman 42:07

1 145 - Data Product Success: Adopting a Customer-Centric Approach With Malcolm Hawker, Head of Data Management at Profisee 53:09

1 144 - The Data Product Debate: Essential Tech or Excessive Effort? with Shashank Garg, CEO of Infocepts (Promoted Episode) 52:38

1 143 - The (5) Top Reasons AI/ML and Analytics SAAS Product Leaders Come to Me For UI/UX Design Help 50:01

1 142 - Live Webinar Recording: My UI/UX Design Audit of a New Podcast Analytics Service w/ Chris Hill (CEO, Humblepod) 50:56


1 140 - Why Data Visualization Alone Doesn’t Fix UI/UX Design Problems in Analytical Data Products with T from Data Rocks NZ 42:44

1 139 - Monetizing SAAS Analytics and The Challenges of Designing a Successful Embedded BI Product (Promoted Episode) 51:02

1 138 - VC Spotlight: The Impact of AI on SAAS and Data/Developer Products in 2024 w/ Ellen Chisa of BoldStart Ventures 33:05

1 137 - Immature Data, Immature Clients: When Are Data Products the Right Approach? feat. Data Product Architect, Karen Meppen 44:50

1 136 - Navigating the Politics of UX Research and Data Product Design with Caroline Zimmerman 44:16

1 135 - “No Time for That:” Enabling Effective Data Product UX Research in Product-Immature Organizations 52:47




1 131 - 15 Ways to Increase User Adoption of Data Products (Without Handcuffs, Threats and Mandates) with Brian T. O’Neill 36:57

1 130 - Nick Zervoudis on Data Product Management, UX Design Training and Overcoming Imposter Syndrome 48:56

1 129 - Why We Stopped, Deleted 18 Months of ML Work, and Shifted to a Data Product Mindset at Coolblue 35:21

1 128 - Data Products for Dummies and The Importance of Data Product Management with Vishal Singh of Starburst 53:01

1 127 - On the Road to Adopting a “Producty” Approach to Data Products at the UK’s Care Quality Commission with Jonathan Cairns-Terry 36:55


1 125 - Human-Centered XAI: Moving from Algorithms to Explainable ML UX with Microsoft Researcher Vera Liao 44:42


1 123 - Learnings From the CDOIQ Symposium and How Data Product Definitions are Evolving with Brian T. O’Neill 27:17
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