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Welcome to an hour of LISTENING LYRICS. Right here on KDRT 95.7FM in Davis, California. Listening Lyrics is a genre free zone - we feature the artist. What makes them do their thing. Listen to the hope and satisfaction in their voices. Listen to what only commercial free community radio can bring you. Close your eyes - open your ears - relax your mind. Join host Pieter Pastoor as he sends color to your ears. Now lets enter, the mother of all that is music and lyrics and the human capability ...
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A music podcast about songwriting, albums, and whatnot hosted by Justin Cox. Seasons about Bright Eyes, Jackson Browne, and Against Me! are in this feed, plus other interviews. Support: patreon.com/afterthedeluge Follow: twitter.com/routinelayup Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support
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................LISTEN UP................... Listen Up! It's the KDRT volunteer newsletter that is produced monthly. In it is always a wonderful list of music selections. Below is this month's list of albums: I have selected one song from each. Enjoy the show. The goal is to broaden our ears to what's out there regardless of genre. New releases kee…
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Today it's a short one about a couple of quintessential Jackson Browne songs. My guest is Patrick Lyons and the impetus for this episode is these two recent articles about the songs "These Days" and "The Pretender." Patrick wrote the latter, and both articles are great. The Song That Connects Jackson Browne, Nico and Margot Tenenbaum, by Bob Mehr (…
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Ryan Williams, Chris O'Keefe and Dani Judith are three members of Rainbow City Park. Their love of music and exuberance of life shine in their musical output. It truly was a pleasure to get to know them. Here's the band's story from its website: "Rainbow City Park is an indie alt-rock/dream pop band from Northern California. The band draws inspirat…
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Alex plays in The So So Glos and was a formative influence on the new Bright Eyes record, Five Dice, All Threes — out Sept 20th. We talk about Waxahatchee, islands in the PNW, why his body can’t break down protein, his cancer diagnosis, living as if you’re dying, crashing at Conor Oberst's house in LA, casually writing new Bright Eyes songs, a stri…
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This week Casey Groat and James Murphy spend some time free-form bantering with me, creating one sweet hour of radio. Inner Nature (FKA Fashionista Boyfriend) is the work of Casey Groat from Sacramento. Having started as just a kid with an interest in making noises with the computer, the project has matured into themes such as love and loss, as wel…
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Nat Lefkoff is 29 and has a cat named Sweetie who is just the best. Nat likes going on long walks and listening to books about history. He also likes bugs, birds, and especially roller blading. The Central Valley that dominates the interior of California is his home. Big open skies and fields with swampy spots and woods scattered throughout. Family…
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After the Deluge is a music podcast about songwriting, albums, and whatnot hosted by Justin Cox, a KDRT friend. I replay most of this podcast in this week's Listening Lyrics. Seasons about Bright Eyes, Jackson Browne, and Against Me! are in this feed, plus other interviews. We talk about my failed attempt to interview poets in the “late 1900s,” ope…
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This week Listening Lyrics shares music from host Pieter Pastoor's Shazam list with music he has never heard before, music he had forgotten, or songs he just loves. The musicians include Rita Hosking, The Pogues, Patti Smith, The J.B.'s, Billy Swan, Smog, Nat Lefkoff, Mohama Saz, The Gold Souls, and Tracy Bonham.…
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Pieter Pastoor is the host of Listening Lyrics, a weekly radio show on KDRTfm in Davis, CA. Pieter is 79 years old and he puts out a radio show every week. The first podcast-adjacent thing I ever did was go on his show a decade ago. Fun one for me. We talk about his failed attempt to interview poets in the “late 1900s,” open mic nights, recording l…
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Daniel Ralston is the writer and producer of the podcast series The True Story of the Fake Zombies, available everywhere. We talk about “Time of the Season” blowing up without The Zombies knowing about it, Rolling Stone's Ben Fong Torres, Buzzfeed’s longform era, turning an article into a podcast, ? & the Mysterians, the ZZ Top of it all, small-tow…
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Rumi Shimada is a perfect description of a singer-songwriter. He plays his songs primarily on a guitar and keyboard, with a vocal delivery that creates a perfect package of an up-and-coming musician. He can focus on his craft and block out both the outside world and internal distractions -- a skill apparent today in today's broadcast, when technica…
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Steven Hyden is a writer and podcaster whose new book, There Was Nothing You Could Do, is out now. We talk about the Patio Hall of Fame, why he’s a terrible DJ, vinyl is for suckers, music hits different on the patio, Skynyrd vs. Neil Young, Steve picks the most patio-friendly Radiohead and Pearl Jam records, how he writes so damn much, small-town …
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As a full-time musician, producer Rowan McGuire offers very observant comments about music and the business of music on today's Listening Lyrics. He also sings three new songs live in the studio. From his website: "McGuire is a multi-instrumentalist, singer, and songwriter whose music deals predominantly with his experiences living in Northern Cali…
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Paul Smaldino is the lead singer of The Small Dinosaurs, a strange band dedicated to singing songs about the little things that matter. Their first album, Household Songs, is entirely about household chores, and is available everywhere on the internet. Their second album, Dad Songs, is due out in 2023. Listen in, get to know Paul, and learn a bit a…
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Miranda Reinert is a writer, podcaster and zine maker. We talk about making a full-on magazine, Jimmy Montague/Taking Meds, getting ideas out of your head and into the world, The End of Merch?, your double-knee Carhartts are a social signifier, creating something that lasts, tangibility, Grace Robins-Somerville on Hole’s Live Through This, what are…
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Do artists get worse with age or can they get more interesting? Behold the Jokermen Mindset. Ian and Evan of the Jokermen podcast and I talk about approaching music with an empty head, Dylan’s Philosophy of Modern Song, when artists DO just get shittier with age, Albini & Steely Dan, what song would a group of Canadian bachelor party bros sing toge…
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This one's not like the others. It's four pals in a room doing an Against Me! song draft while drinking Rainiers and eating junk. It's dumb and wonderful and only on Patreon: patreon.com/afterthedeluge -- Guests: Ryan Page, RJ Myers, Matt Helms, Justin Cox (me) --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/afterthedeluge/support…
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Laura Jane Grace is the songwriter behind Against Me! We discuss meaningless songs, the 7-hour Beatles documentary, she quit horoscopes, big life changes, Travis Barker on Rick Rubin, Operation Ivy reunion vs. Fugazi reunion, hoarding guitars, “Fit But You Know It” by The Streets, Butch Vig gave Laura homework, Franz Ferdinand-core, bitching about …
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Jordan Kleeman started Crasshole Records as a teenager and put out several early Against Me! EPs including this legendary self-titled 12” record. We talk about the first version of “Walking is Still Honest,” why this beautiful record sounds like shit, a decade of touring with Against Me!, and holding down that synth-key note on “8 Hours of Full Sle…
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Casey Plett is an author from Canada. We talk about coming out in a Rolling Stone article, dissecting The Ocean, seeing Against Me! In Winnipeg on the Transgender Dysphoria Blues tour, low-key gesturing back to Reinventing Axl Rose w/ those first snare hits, the novel “Nevada” by Imogen Binnie, “Rough surf on the coast, I wish I could have spent th…
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Steak Mtn (Christopher Norris) did the art for several Against Me! records including this one. We talk about the album White Crosses, the revolution being a lie, collaborating on art with Laura, Christopher's not a fan of anarcho-bucket music, getting that Warner Bros. money, this album has sheen but it also has teeth, the iconic Transgender Dyspho…
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Ben Lee is a musician from Australia now in LA. We talk about New Wave, having his mind blown on a flight to Australia, trusting Tegan and Sara’s taste, a punk-rock duet, why Ben covered this record, the music industry changes so why resist it, would you take the Hyundai sponsorship, would you open for Maroon 5?, New Wave is a historical document, …
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Keegan Bradford (⁠@franziamom⁠) plays in Camp Trash and writes about music online. We talk about Against Me!’s Searching for a Former Clarity, folk-punk being out of fashion, Algernon Cadwallader as a fictional band, hostile fanbases, Florida geography and scene dynamics, the best record ever about arguing on the internet, AM!’s miserable ascent, L…
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This week we go to the movies. I'm joined by Dan Bassini and Andrew Valentine of the Run into the Ground podcast to talk about the 2004 Against Me! tour documentary We're Never Going Home, which sees the band getting courted by major labels and fucking with their fellow touring bands. Plus Asbury Park, depressing East Coast beaches, and iconic venu…
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Ryan Page plays in the band Bad Dads. We talk about being a message-board kid, bands as bumper stickers, lying to Fat Mike, “whoas,” major labels swooping in, Ardent Studios, not getting sick of the Eternal Cowboy songs, y’all overpraised the Tim remaster, spinning this CD thrice in a row, we revisit the Axl snare sound, I say “chuckles” a half-doz…
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Austin Lucas is a musician whose latest album is called Reinventing Against Me! We talk about being crust-adjacent, Austin’s path from hardcore to country, The Go-Gos, the Axl cover, live-streaming through the early pandemic, "Oh Donna," knocking out a record in two days, John Mellencamp’s background singer, that snare drum tone, St. Anger, Fall Ou…
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Crime as Forgiven By Against Me! was released in 2001 and followed that same year by the band's self-titled acoustic EP. Frank Turner is a musician from England. He joined us from his studio while working on his next album. We talk about knocking out records, Alternative Press, diagonal haircuts, gatekeeping subgenres of emo, Frank was a few high s…
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Season 3 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Against Me! discography with a new guest each week, starting with their early days in Gainesville followed by records released on No Idea and Fat Wreck Chords before signing to a major label deal. And all of that comes well before the release of Transgender Dysphoria Blues--a significa…
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I talked to Dan Ozzi, author of the book Sellout, about his recent Fader piece about The Armed—a band/collective/cult from Detroit. We jump from there into early 2010s music writing, hearing new music as you get old, editing Noisey in the early 2010s, getting nostalgic about Chumped, media now vs. media then, when the label or publisher asks you to…
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Tim Kasher returns for a special episode about The Good Life’s Album of the Year. We talk about Zooming with Conor Oberst on bad wifi, his upcoming tour, his high school band March Hares opening for 311, Tim’s Red Hot Chili Peppers horoscope theory, Inmates, early 2000s Saddle Creek albums about substances, Cursive, debauchery and heartache, Tim lo…
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I talk to Conor Oberst of Bright Eyes about Jackson Browne, emo, being a child among the Saddle Creek teens, showing ambition in a slacker scene, Pitchfork reviews, a wild story behind “Soul Singer in a Session Band," his songs making sense to him but maybe not to you, Conor’s media diet, listening to audiobooks about feathers, do people pay too mu…
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On this special episode we talk about non-Bright Eyes Conor Oberst projects over the last 25 years. I’m joined by Maddy, Michael, Rina, Greg, Justin and Per (Patreon supporters of this show ☺️) for a sprawling conversation about Oberst's solo records and side projects. There are many! For PART 2 (+ VIDEO) hit up patreon.com/afterthedeluge -- Here’s…
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Marc Hogan is a senior staff writer at Pitchfork and he wrote the review of the Bright Eyes record Down in the Weeds, Where the World Once Was. In this episode we talk about a difficult decade for Conor Oberst, Audiogalaxy, patience with late-career albums, 2013’s false rape allegations, being Conor’s same age, Red Hot Chili Peppers, dropping a rec…
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Ben Dolnick is the author of four novels including The Ghost Notebooks, You Know Who You Are, and At the Bottom of Everything. He wrote this 2011 Bright Eyes essay in The Awl: https://www.theawl.com/2011/01/taste-has-never-met-shame-i-love-you-conor-oberst/ This episode features an excellent audio essay from Dominic Ronzani about why The People's K…
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Today we have two Bright Eyes scholars (and Patreon supporters 🥰) who truly know their shit. Pardon the slightly click-bait headline... but Per Davidson and Justin Corwin take us on a tour of some great non-album Bright Eyes tracks from splits, EPs and YouTube rarities. All six of these songs are great upon first listen, but they go up several notc…
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HEAR THIS FULL EPISODE: PATREON.COM/AFTERTHEDELUGE⁠ Brian Howe is a music, arts and culture critic for Pitchfork and many other outlets. Evan Bailey sings and plays guitar in the band Oh, Lonesome Ana. We talk about the Bright Eyes record Cassadaga, experimental album art, mysticism, fiddles, Brian discovering Fevers & Mirrors, meaning outside of r…
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Today we talk about a bizarre phenomenon atop the Bright Eyes Spotify page. In this episode we talk about the fact that I’m Wide Awake it’s Morning occupies every spot in the Top 5 of the Bright Eyes Spotify page. My guest is Ryan Page of Bad Dads and the Beatles vs. Stones podcast. (Full disclosure: I’m a member of both). The bulk of this episode …
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Michael Tedder is culture writer who's written for Stereogum, The Ringer, Esquire, Uproxx and many more. We talk about early 2000s Bright Eyes shows in Florida, war, emo-bashing, making a 70s record, flawed voices, Conor writes his big hit, Saddle Creek 50, Michael’s coffee mug, Top-3 Saddest Horn Parts in Indie Rock History, Sufjan Stevens, Michae…
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Rob Harvilla is the host of 60 Songs that Explain the 90s—a popular podcast that I love. Today we talk about the 2005 Bright Eyes song “When the President Talks to God.” Also: Conor writing this song on a ferry, playing it on Jay Leno in cowboy swag, the pain of reading your old writing, REM, The Boss, 9/11, living in bubbles, Iraq, America coming …
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Todd Fink is the lead singer of The Faint, a vital and important band that grew up alongside Bright Eyes in those early Saddle Creek years in Omaha. We talk about touring with Bright Eyes on the Digital Ash tour, life in Joshua Tree, the Desert Oracle, creative Saddle Creek bands, going electronic, masterful Mogis production, keeping imperfections,…
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Emily Kitchin is a social media manager, ex music journalist, and self-described Conor Oberst superfan. We talk about a blog post she wrote called, “If Their Favorite Bright Eyes Song is ___ Then ___.” Plus songs without choruses, holding space for normies, loving I’m Wide Awake It’s Morning, Kevin Devine, Rocky Votolato, “cool” music, etc. Read Em…
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Part two, flip the record! Claire Carusillo (Gawker) and I look at the second half of Lifted, culminating in the goddamn opus--Let's Not Shit Ourselves.In this conversation we talk about friendship, songmeanings.net being better than Genius, wasting paint, strumming and hollering, weeping for Laura Laurent, Justin's lost term paper about Let's Not …
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This week we talk Lifted, this podcast's favorite Bright Eyes album. My guest is Claire Carusillo, a Features Writer at Gawker. Part 2: patreon.com/afterthedeluge In this episode we talk about beastly records from 2002, a couple of wars, circus percussion, Michael keeping the tape rolling and Tim’s album, a Pitchfork 7.7, Johnny Cash covering NIN, …
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There are so many Bright Eyes EPs and Conor Oberst side/solo projects that I was afraid to take them all on in the podcast. But my guest today makes a good case for why these early EPs are a crucial part of the story. Here are the five tracks we talk about: A Line Allows Progress, a Circle Does Not A Perfect Sonnet Neely O'Hara Joy in Forgetting-Jo…
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Ian Cohen (Pitchfork/Indiecast) and I talk about Fevers and Mirrors, a pivotal moment for Bright Eyes and Saddle Creek. Check out Ian's excellent Pitchfork review of the vinyl reissue in 2012. Also discussed: Dashboard Confessional, Emo (again), long intro tracks to chase off the squares, early Pitchfork, Rolling Stone reviews for old rockers, band…
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Cursive's Tim Kasher and I talk about the early days of Saddle Creek and the first two Bright Eyes records, A Collection of Songs Written and Recorded 1995-1997 and Letting Off the Happiness. Also discussed: Antique stores, early Cursive records, 14-year-old Conor, what bound Saddle Creek bands, Emo, the Oberst household, Saddle Creek isn’t really …
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Season two of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Bright Eyes discography, from the basement recordings in Omaha through the pandemic release after a decade-long hiatus, and some real classics in between. I'm Justin Cox and I'll have a conversation with a new guest each episode starting with Tim Kasher on the first two Bright Eyes r…
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This week, Ryan Page and I share our favorite Jackson Browne songs... as well as our favorite David Lindley moments, non-Lindley musical moments and some of our favorite lyrics. Just a couple of buds strolling through some of their favorite music. The podcast will be back with Lawyers in Love/Somebody's Baby next week. Argue with me on Twitter at @…
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