You've got to make emissions to reduce emissions - Adam Bandt, Lizzy Hoo, Geraldine Quinn, Lewis Hobba, Dan Ilic - 25th Sept 2020

A Rational Fear

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Interview: Adam Bandt

Geraldine Quinn

Lizzie Hoo

Lewis Hobba

and Dan Ilic

Inside the Minister for Emissions Reductions office, everyday is ‘opposite day.’

As the saying goes:

You’ve got to make emissions, to reduce emissions.

You have to do something, by doing nothing.

The only way to create emissions free hydrogen is by using greenhouse gas.

The only way to encourage renewable energy is to defund renewable energy.

We’re living in very strange time. The rest of the world is aggressively moving to a carbon free future. China is set to decarbonise their economy by 2060. Next year at COP26 every country will be taking plans to go further, and ratchet up mechanisms for further emissions reductions, because the Paris agreement isn’t going to cut it.

Net 0 emissions by 2050 is no longer the big ambition, it’s the status quo. A few countries will be going in hard to do even more. Leading, in other words.

And when the world is doing this, where is that leaving Australia?

Australia is the Shore School of the world. Outwardly rich, entitled, antagonistic, and going around spitting on poor people and taking photos of its penis on things to win points with mates, Saudi Arabia, and the USA.

Instead of doing the work: transitioning the economy to a carbon free future.

We’re burning more gas — to lower emissions?

Gaslighting figuratively and literally.

Dan

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Lewis Hobba 0:04

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Dan Ilic 0:06

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Lewis Hobba 0:13

Well, I don't know I always find this ridiculous and the constant promises of paying guests often month to turned on so I feel like I'm in a guest lot relationship

Dan Ilic 0:22

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Let's meet our fear mongers first night Queensland rise but chooses to suffer in Sydney she was 2017 raw comedy state finalists but plans on being a 2020 completionist it's Lizzy who Hello Lizzy. What are you looking forward to most in completing 2020

Lizzy Hoo 2:52

I just try to hold it. Hang in there. I think

Dan Ilic 2:55

we all and she's going stir crazy in her hermetically sealed Melbourne domas quite frankly, we booked it because he's just happy to talk to anyone. It's the record of Australian comedy Geraldine Quinn.

Geraldine Quinn 3:05

Thank you It's good that you didn't use the the feminine of god it's clearly a a pan gender or term

Dan Ilic 3:12

totally What what? you know if if Cate Blanchett is an actor, you're a god.

Geraldine Quinn 3:19

I'm really sorry. I can't fix anything in the world.

Dan Ilic 3:22

Geraldine is this experience kind of like going out?

Geraldine Quinn 3:26

Well, it's it's very sweet of you to think that I still went out. I am 45 After all, and I leave south of the river, which if you live in Melbourne means no one ever talks to you.

Dan Ilic 3:38

And he's been introduced 70 times on this podcast. There's no need for an introduction, but I'll do one anyway, out of sheer professional courtesy. It's Louis Allah.

Lewis Hobba 3:46

Allah Daniel. What a joy to be here. I like to Jared and I've been met kind of imagining that when when not here. You're just hoping to like for soccer balls.

Dan Ilic 3:59

Coming up a little later on on the podcast we're gonna be hearing from rupert murdoch. And we'll be talking gas and mirrors with the leader of the grains Adam, Ben. But first, here's a word from this week's sponsor.

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Dan Ilic 5:02

Fear mongers return your tray tables to the upright position. The first beer tonight is the Qantas round trip. This way quad is broke the record for the fastest selling flight in history. And it's a flight to nowhere which is still better than flying to Adelaide. The flight which sold out in just 10 minutes of vago sail is a seven hour sightseeing trip from Sydney around the country. Yes, if you look at the left hand side, you'll see the long white clouds over the Gold Coast. And then the long white clouds of Uluru and if you look at the right hand side, you'll see the long white clouds of the owner. That's just the Great Barrier Reef. Don't worry about that. And you could sit in the back for $800 or you can sit up the front for 4000 and for $8,000 you can drive to the airport and have a coffee which is great. They also have the fall in flight entertainment system which you could spend $800 watching Tennant the way Christopher Nolan purely intended a quantum spokesperson actually said people clearly Miss travel and the experience of flying and clearly those people have never tried ketamine fear mongers. What is appealing about this experience to you Lizzie who

Lizzy Hoo 6:06

I have no idea I have no idea why this is appealing. Maybe it's like really devout points people.

Dan Ilic 6:17

Point riders Yeah,

Lizzy Hoo 6:18

there's people that need to get this status back to whatever the highest one is. I don't know what that

Geraldine Quinn 6:26

was. I can hang around on the quantas lounge on their own.

Dan Ilic 6:30

There's nothing like there's nothing like a bowl of cornflakes except when it's at the at the cornice lounge that that feels good when you're having a bowl of cornflakes in the corners lounge that's a special bowl of cornflakes

Geraldine Quinn 6:39

I'm so sorry. It might be the fact that there's a pandemic on but I was convinced for a second then you said Ebola Congo cornflakes and I I'm quite tired but I went DAN DAN you're the age man Come

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on. I believe

Dan Ilic 6:54

you can get that in the tiger lounge the

Lewis Hobba 6:59

bowler in the corner sledge is still the second worst thing up the sky and us being I love the the the flights nowhere. I think it's it's romantic. It would be very different you know people used to do those surprise flights, mystery duck pack a bikini and the coat babe because you don't know where we're going. And then just do end up back home.

Dan Ilic 7:23

Yeah, this is this is packed the house cake cuz we're coming right back.

Lewis Hobba 7:27

I also because cuantas have just been selling everything that a few weeks ago. They put all of the inflight meals on on for sale and they sold out in like, no time at all. But then this week, they actually put up for sale their drinks carts filled to the brim with the booze. Yeah. Which is amazing. But it's just like, I will as much booze as you could drink on that drinks card. It will never be able to replicate the feeling of having like one and a half bad red wines and then weeping to a Pixar film.

Dan Ilic 8:00

You can do that at home.

Lewis Hobba 8:01

Yeah, crying on my couch. I don't need to pay four grand

Dan Ilic 8:05

they those carts sold for $1,000. And they're already sold out. They have up to 160 miniature one bottles and I'm thinking who's buying that grant Daniel doesn't have enough.

Lizzy Hoo 8:18

It's like a deceased estate.

Geraldine Quinn 8:23

But with soy traits.

Dan Ilic 8:25

It's totally true. I mean, I stood on Bondi Beach and I watched the last quanta 747 fly out of Australia. That was a tear down my face because I love I love kind of aviation. But what's interesting you say it's like a deceased estate. I don't think it's too far from the truth because cuantas today, it's just cut out that they've been underpaying workers through job caper, and they've selling all the booze to pay their workers back.

Geraldine Quinn 8:49

Oh, this is a pleasant idea. I particularly like that somebody was quoting you know, our people miss travel, they missed the experience of flying, I wouldn't have picked you as one of those people down. But I know that sounds bullshit to me. And the only thing magical about flying is affected chicken fat with impunity, and it just disappears. So maybe if I could find a way to harness that power, then they'd be in a better

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position economically.

Dan Ilic 9:12

That's how you can make renewable flight but putting a tube in everybody's bomb and power on the plane.

Lizzy Hoo 9:18

I kind of hope it's like a really wet weather day.

Lewis Hobba 9:24

Yeah, this is like terrible turbulence. They can't leave the tarmac. It's like I'm so sorry. And all the people in the planet going even longer on the plane.

Dan Ilic 9:33

flight to Nowhere is delayed.

Lizzy Hoo 9:36

I'd love to see the horse get on and just be like you know the drill. Just have a good time.

Lewis Hobba 9:46

And at the local time, and I got back the local time is exactly the same way.

Geraldine Quinn 9:51

I just like the idea of if I could just hire a whole bunch of out of work performance to run pass the windows holding like portable plastic trays. Throwing seagulls across the way and we can we can all really give a boost to all of our industries. But now I just sell the bass.

Lizzy Hoo 10:07

You can have a concert on the plane.

Geraldine Quinn 10:11

Oh, I enjoy it be up for that. Beautiful

Lewis Hobba 10:15

cuantas kids so you sing the song on all the route. What are they doing now?

Geraldine Quinn 10:19

Oh, my nephew was one that was in that choir.

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For the for that.

Dan Ilic 10:24

Narrow they're all now they're all executives at quantis they're firing.

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they seize a few feet

Dan Ilic 10:36

number two, the federal government has announced they're upgrading the NBN. Finally we can party like it's 2007. It's the technology of today sometime before the decade is out. This comes after eight years of insisting that fibre to the node was perfectly good internet, you know, like when you really wanted a skateboard and your dad and 60s making you a perfectly good one in the shed out of two planks in a milk crate. It's not a skateboard Dad, it's a fucking milk, right? And show you know, we could have had this over a decade ago but Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party dismissed fibre to the home as an irresponsible gold plated option. On the other hand, the amount they've wasted on out of date inefficient copper wise, we could have actually played it in in gold. If you remember Tony Abbott dismissed the NBN is essentially a video entertainment system when it was actually really important for universities and businesses and local libraries and everyone else ever who is now unemployed and stuck at home watching their video entertainment systems. Louis some when you get it, what are you gonna do with all that fancy internet? Oh, my God.

Lewis Hobba 11:35

Well, first things first, I'm going to get jump right on this podcast and get crystal clear audio from you. To me. One of the most frustrating and just writ large moments of Australian politics everyone knew everyone knew at the time. Like this is the most predictable car crash and the slowest one. Like there was not a single exit. There's no single person who used the internet back then. But didn't see this coming.

Dan Ilic 12:09

I don't know if it happened for Lizzie and Geraldine. But when you said frustrating there was a great glitch on

Lizzy Hoo 12:20

how smug is run at the moment. I've just seen it.

Lewis Hobba 12:23

The only downside to this almost sacrifice good internet. So lose Kevin Rudd smugness?

Dan Ilic 12:31

I don't know if you caught the conversation that he and I had a few weeks ago on this podcast, but one of the things he did a was a was that, that in terms of stimulus what the government should do is completely nvn in three weeks later, that's exactly what they've come up to do. Like Yes, irrational fear is finally setting the agenda.

Geraldine Quinn 12:54

Maybe they listened to him because he's excellent Russian accent on that episode.

Dan Ilic 12:57

Oh, thank you for listening. Now, yeah, Rod was on this podcast just a couple of weeks ago talking about that. He also claimed that Rupert Cote rupert murdoch, that is coerce the government into delivering slow internet so Netflix wouldn't compete with foxtel. You'd be surprised that Rupert himself seemed very pleased with this week's announcement. So he made an announcement of his very own.

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Hello there, it's lord and saviour rupert murdoch here. Now I'm pleased to announce that now that News Corp has finally gotten around to allowing the federal government to put in fibre to the home so that's wonderful. It's superfast internet, it's over. fibre optic cable. So it's it's so futuristic, you'll think you're living in the year 2000. I know what you're thinking, why didn't you do this earlier, Rupert? Well, you couldn't watch sports streaming on demand. But you can now with coyo you see which I Oh, you couldn't watch foxtail streaming on demand but you can now was binge which would shy and you couldn't watch Parliament streaming on demand either. And I own that too. I have for a long time, but no one watches it so it doesn't matter. So look, you're bloody welcome. All right. And if you want to watch the 2021 United States Civil War live and uncut and unedited by me Fox News has the streaming rights to that to which I own so burger off and get some subscriptions. Thank you very much.

Dan Ilic 14:23

Go Trump. Very good. Australia isn't the only country with terrible internet and our final feed tonight comes from the Welsh village of Abba hosen where at precisely 7am every day, the broadband signal would cut out. And after days of testing and replacing cables, engineers worked out that the problem was caused by one villages old TV. Geraldine Can you relate to this old guys TV problems

Geraldine Quinn 14:49

are really can I mean apart from the fact that if you are on the live stream, and you can see my study, it's clear I never throw anything out. So I would be exactly the person that has that TV. I just thought it was this is such an adorable story. Because when I worked at what I had to send all these engineers in with, with some with radio waves, signal receivers to try to work out what it was because there could be a whole bunch of different electrical things.

Dan Ilic 15:10

It was like Ghostbusters.

Geraldine Quinn 15:11

It was Yeah. And then finally find that there was this one person and there was so embarrassed that they didn't want to be named. So I'm in Melbourne in week eight of stage four lockdown, and we've got cashed up bogans from carrum downs, going into the city getting chased through Elmwood park by police on a horse and screaming about their rights because they can't get a sausage of Bunnings and yet this person was just so embarrassed he sense of society and his and he's Judy to his fellow villagers that he was like please don't name me. I should be there should be setting up a GoFundMe so he get a smart TV for

what an amazing story. Broadband

Dan Ilic 15:52

7am What do you have to admit to turning onto the UK version of sunrise?

Geraldine Quinn 15:57

No idea what you're doing which television is seven was probably just to get the weather or maybe like me just left it on for company. I mean, whoops, I've got a rich and varied social life.

Lewis Hobba 16:08

I would be given all of the like Coronavirus conspiracies. Imagine all the people in Wales like stuck in the house. I look out the window and it's just 10 people in suits with little specks zipping around. Like I can't believe that hasn't spiralled into any conspiracy theory.

Lizzy Hoo 16:24

Old Town too, wasn't it?

Geraldine Quinn 16:26

He owes me 400 people, Dan,

Lewis Hobba 16:28

if you ruin the internet in the small town I grew up in right now you would be lynched.

Dan Ilic 16:35

I love this quote from the retired builder. He's named Bill child. He's 79. He said we've had broadband problems for as long as I can remember. He's 79 Wow, that's a long time to broadband. In the past few years, we must have had 30 or 40 engineers to the house on a broadband to get my grocery shopping done. I'm almost at with COVID especially I rely on shopping to be delivered. Don't we all bill child's definitely Oh, I don't

Lizzy Hoo 16:59

know if there's my dad's ID and he tried to do online shopping and no go that is not He's lying.

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He's looking at porn and

Geraldine Quinn 17:15

what's going on in six positive jph

Dan Ilic 17:19

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Yeah, Casey, I'm gonna start streaming to the

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inside. No, no. That's the best I can do, striding

Dan Ilic 17:35

Mother. Mother.

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This is a rational view. This is just another practical example of

Dan Ilic 17:42

the NBA. Howe interview guests for tonight was a bright young man when he first entered politics just a few years later. Now. He's just another bright old man in politics. It's the Honourable Member for Melbourne and leader of the grains Adam band. Adam, thanks for joining us on irrational fear.

Adam Bandt 17:58

What's the truth a couple of nights ago it was just like that just

Dan Ilic 18:03

did did with the old TVs in the trip causing broadband problems.

Adam Bandt 18:08

not quite there it was be more advanced than that.

Dan Ilic 18:12

Now, Adam, we got you on this podcast to talk gas. Let's talk gas together. Let's turn methane into a stain. It's been a I'm just gonna do a bit of a rant. Before we kick off now all the union energy announcements over the last couple of weeks have really got me down. And it's our mission is that should be down not me. So let's do a quick recap of the last couple of weeks the Australian Renewable Energy Agency, the agency to design to fund renewable energy is now going to be used to create emissions intensive fossil fuel projects. Hey, like methane gas generation. And hydrogen generation is also on the cards. Now that normally sounds like a clean clean fuel. But under this plan, they plan to make hydrogen using electricity made from gas power. Yes, hydrogen made from gases like eating a cucumber made from recycled dildos. You know, it looks like a cucumber. It tastes like a cucumber. But I can't help but think it's been used for some other purpose and I'm gonna be sick later. arena would also pay for magical technology like carbon capture storage, just like Harry Potter. This technology only exists in books. And this is interesting from Alan Finkel, he had this quote when this announcement was being made, he said, I know some may be sceptical because carbon capture permanent storage hasn't been commercially viable in the electricity generation industry. During the presentation for this event, the Chief Scientist was saying it doesn't work. Also, this week, no emissions reduction targets were set. That's right. The minister for emissions reduction hasn't actually set a target for the industry to get their emissions reduced. And that's his whole job. They renewed the renewable energy target didn't get re implemented. It was just kind of left abandoned and just have to fly away in the wind and Scott Morrison also this way got into sada said renewables don't need help they pay for themselves, the market can look after them. Whereas fossil fuels still need 29 billion US a year in subsidies. You know, one day those fossil fuel industries will hopefully break even. And maybe they can pay some fucking tax. Morrison said on the inside also, also, now we're focused on lowering emissions, which is why we're building new gas plants and seeing if call is viable and not signing up to any targets to lower any emissions. You also said, I'm not interested in signing things, I'm interested in doing things. That's why we're investing in carbon capture storage technology that's not working at any scale anywhere in the world. CCS is the very definition of not doing anything. And when it came to writing about net zero emissions by 2050, he said, we have a plan to achieve that in the second half of next century. That's not 2050. That's 2900. here's the kicker Katyn joshy wrote in renewable economy at the rate of yearly emissions drops between 2020 and 2030. In the Australia's government projections, he reckons that Australia will reach net zero emissions by 2300 2300. According to government, the government's own paperwork, only one can assume that scomo is you know, rapidly trying to accelerate emissions because he wants to bring on the rapture early for his Hillsong mates. And maybe that is a plan. It's a good plan. And this is also the plan this whole technology plan, this whole Technology Roadmap, is the plan that Australia is taking to cop 26. Yes, the whole world is rapidly accelerating their own emissions reduction to be net zero by 2030. Even China declared this way they're going carbon neutral by 2060. Yes. Not even the country that's putting Tibetans in forced labour cancer, the Olympics is evil enough to buy our coal, we're going to be going up to Glasgow, and showing that we don't have a renewable energy target. We don't have any renewables. We're not investing. Now. We're investing in billions of technologies. That doesn't work. We're going to make hydrogen with methane, and we're going to frack ourselves to death. Well, global leaders at the Conference of Parties 26 what do you think about fuckin plan? Well, Australia has a history of cheating and stealing and tricking. So this conference, so you know, like they didn't Kyoto in Paris, why should the fact they've turned up and taking a giant ship in the middle of the living room be surprising, it's not, we expected it. That's why we're implementing carbon tariffs on imports from countries like Australia, so they could take a ship anywhere in the world, and then they'll be able to pay for it. Adam, had a guy

Adam Bandt 22:27

summed it up really well, I might pinch a few of those lines, if I can. I mean, what everyone's been, rightly like we're kind of dropped everything to do with the Coronavirus at the moment, and that we're all stuck in Melbourne in lockdown. No one likes it. But we understand that we've got to do it. And but it's occupied the national agenda, and rightly so because it's literally a matter of life and death. But while that's been happening, the announcement after announcement has been coming in about what is happening on the climate crisis front. And just this week, we got told that, that you refer to the Paris Agreement and the parties to all of the Paris agreement, which we're going to make this year and are going to meet again next year. And you update has come out that has said that the parties to the Paris Agreement, we all agreed to try and limit global warming to less than two degrees, because that's generally accepted as being go above that, and the chain reaction might become unstoppable, right, and you might not be able to rein it in. And we've been it's clear as day that the pledges that everyone has made are not going to limit us to two degrees. And we got told this week that even if we do limit global warming to two degrees, sea levels might rise by a couple of metres the century and forget about the Great Barrier Reef, it's gone forever. And so we're talking about massive, massive changes. Even if we make the targets that are set out in Paris, Scott Morrison's targets have us on track for three degrees, right. So not two degrees, but three degrees. And the Bureau of Meteorology came along to the Senate and told the senate Senate committee that in Australia, current targets are going to mean something more like 4.4 degrees by the end of the century. So during during the lifetime of today's Primary School students, so we're talking about massive, massive devastation in Australia and a huge threat. And there's a simple thing that we've got to do like in order to increase our ambition, so that we stay below two degrees, which is to phase out coal and gas, like we can't be talking about new coal and gas we've got the plan has to be how do we take the existing coal and guess what we've got and phase it out. But instead, what not only is Maurice I'm not talking about that, and he's not talking about gas instead of coal, we have met gas as well as coal. So not only is he not coming along with a plan to phase it out, he's coming on with a plan to take money that should be going to solar and wind or to schools and hospitals. And now use that to actively expand the amount of gas that we suck out of the ground and the amount of coal that we dig up right public subsidies should not be going to increase fossil fuel but that's where they go It's so

Dan Ilic 25:00

counterintuitive to dismantle arena like there's been, it's not being dismantled the beginning a new arrangement of the last 10 years, they've been there to invest in renewable energy. And now, they've been told to skip renewable energy and invest in these fossil fuel energy systems. And that is fifth. And one of the things Adam that I don't understand is, they said the board is going to remain the same. And you know, everyone there is going to be kind of focused on this new mission, but how many, how many people on that board are going to want to stay on their board, and they can't be in an organisation like that, that is actually facilitating the exact antithesis of the mission that they were there to create?

Adam Bandt 25:38

Well, they the government has set up a new steering committee to oversee this new genius of a plan.

Dan Ilic 25:44

Sounds like a fucking committee, they're setting up a fucking committee

Adam Bandt 25:48

that the head of Coca Cola is on it, but no one from renewable energy, right there. He's like the head of Coca Cola, I don't want what is going on here. The head of Coca Cola

Dan Ilic 25:58

makes sense when you're talking about carbon emissions, you get

Unknown Speaker 26:01

carbonated.

Adam Bandt 26:04

This is a great opportunity for soft drinks, I don't know. But this is, this is the direction that they're taking us. And he talks about hydrogen before, right. And like hydrogen, in a sense, is, in some ways could be the perfect fuel because you burn hydrogen attunes back into water. And there are you've got in South Korea, and in Japan, they're kind of they're starting to shift the vehicles to hydrogen, they're crying, they're looking for countries to export hydrogen to them. And so if you can make it renewably by splitting water, using renewable electricity, then you'd have basically an Australia is so well placed to do now.

Dan Ilic 26:41

Please tell me about so pleased to have a nation that has lots of sunshine and water. And that can use solar to create art. Is there one I'm not so sure? That's right. Is there a nation that is good by water? We need a nation that's good by water.

Adam Bandt 26:59

It's the time when good might actually mean something useful. And they but instead what what we're doing is as you alluded to enact going to subsidise subsidised through the Renewable Energy Agency and potentially through the other agencies as well. The Clean Energy Finance Corporation, using guests sucking more gas out of the ground and not existing gas opening up new gas field sucking it out, burning that to generate electricity using that electricity to split water to create hydrogen. And then according to some unicorn technology that doesn't exist, burying all the co2 emissions generated by that back underground. Like it's ridiculous, it is absolutely ridiculous. But when you consider that the gas and coal lobby have donated about $9 million to the establishment parties over the last few years, the whole thing starts to make more sense,

Lewis Hobba 27:48

Adam, we get some pretty good donations on the Patreon.

Unknown Speaker 27:54

thing for good biomar

Dan Ilic 27:55

this is I had this idea earlier this week, I was like what if we had a Kickstarter to raise $10 million to donate to both major parties to encourage them to limit emissions. It's almost like paying some kind of tax.

Adam Bandt 28:10

fantastic idea sounds like you might be in slightly in the wrong business. But they like the amount. It's a pretty good investment for the coal, oil and gas companies a good return on investment for them donate $9 million to liberal and labour and in return, you get to suck as much gas and coal out of Australia as you want. And while whilst we burn. And this is what is so distressing about this at the moment is that there doesn't seem to there seems to be I think Morrison's taking the approach that it's okay, I'm dealing with the climate crisis. And then like letting people believe that he's got it under control without telling the truth about the scale of the challenge that we're facing. Like we just do not have the capacity to expand our gas and coal production, let alone at public expense. Just It's so frustrating.

Lewis Hobba 28:57

Right? Can I can I ask as you got you and Dan, obviously, I'll know a lot more about the details than maybe Adam what like, we all have heaps of experts saying that this is a bad idea. What's their pitch, like apart from giving kickbacks to pay the donors? What What is their argument for being a good idea?

Adam Bandt 29:16

And they, they say, Oh, look, we need gas as a transition fuel as we switch over to renewables because renewables are intermittent. So we need something to balance them out. But I, we've got batteries now in Bay, the Chief Scientist said about that, you know, the chief scientist who just gave their glowing endorsement to carbon capture and storage also said, Look, oh, but actually, I think there's enough gas in the system already that we don't actually need more guests to do it. We've got enough gas fired power stations in the country already to be able to balance it out. If we wanted to get to, you know, 70 8090 100% renewables we wouldn't need to build a single new gas fired power station, according to the chief scientist. So their pitch kind of really is paper thin, but they're hoping that no one's going to press that Moment.

Dan Ilic 30:00

There's a there's another argument Angus Taylor has for jobs saying it's gonna it's going to create 130,000 jobs but, but nobody has seen how those jobs are actually going to come about. And there's another great thing. There's another great thing I read a tweet from sometimes a court saying that 400 megawatts of power delivered by gas plant had attached to it about 15 jobs. One of the big five consulting firms, Ernst and Young says there's about a million jobs worth of, of jobs there in renewables and that to completely change the way we operate. There's million jobs there to kind of reinvigorate and rebuild us build rebuild Australia as a carbon neutral industry. storyist, greenies Ernst and Young. This is

Adam Bandt 30:43

the whole point though, like it's getting he go to, you know, obviously not the US. So the US has got the, with the US, Donald Trump talks finally about our immigration and energy policies. And you can say why so we're kind of sadly leading the world in that respect. But you go to other places and, and climate, Germany, for example. And climate isn't as politicised in the way that it is here. And like there's just an increasing acceptance across the board, that we're heading towards a cliff at about 200 K's an hour and the coalition saying oh, well, let's slow down to 190. Before we go over the years labour saying or maybe it should be 150. But everyone else who's not in the pockets of the coal and gas industry is saying, Oh, hang on, look, something's wrong here. And we need to change course and do it pretty quickly and outside of Australia. As he said in your opening, we're going to front out to these global negotiations at the Conference of the Parties next year, with this terrible, terrible plan put forward by Angus Taylor, and we're going to be laughed out of the room and that sadly, Australia's these these agreements, work by consensus. And so Australia sits there, drags its heels and drags ambition down and you know, our kids are gonna pay for

Dan Ilic 31:56

what how do we kind of fight back at him? Like what, like, what is the what is it? I mean, this government's in for another little bit? How do you kind of push back in this kind of space where this is the optimum time for them to put something in because they've got a couple more years to run? And they're doing the hardest thing they possibly can right now, in the middle of the pandemic, when no one's looking? How do you push back?

Adam Bandt 32:19

Well, I'm kind of optimistic about this, actually. Because like in Melbourne, next to my seat is a couple of seats that the liberals hold, and one of them's the treasurer receipt, and they had to spend a million bucks holding that site, because the grains were on the verge of winning. And then they spent a million dollars telling the electorate how much they cared about climate change. And what a great plan, they had to deal with the climate crisis in the same in, in these inner city seats in Sydney, and increasingly in some regional seats as well. And I think they, they, they're thinking that we're in at the moment, we're riding high in the polls, because of the pandemic, we can get away with whatever we want, but people aren't stupid, and if you want is fuel in 2020, feels pretty long. And it feels like a long time ago, but over the summer, like we were people were losing their lives, people were losing their houses, a billion animals were perished in the fires that we saw in inner city, Melbourne, and Sydney and in Canberra. You know, you couldn't go about usual business because the the smoke was so thick, it was hazardous. And I think those kind of challenges and that kind of crisis hasn't gone away. And increasingly, people I think, across the political spectrum, are saying through this, and the polling bears that out, and it's just a matter of finding ways of bringing that political pressure to bear on the government, which is why the government even has to dress up, you know, coming back to the question before about what's the pitch, they have to dress up gas as a climate friendly solution. And you know, we've got the answer is to take the fight up to them in Parliament about this and labour doesn't know where it standing. They're talking about environmentally sustainable guests like clean coal, but I think increasingly, people know that I'm not going to tape it in the ground and I think come the next election. If we do our job right as the grains as as people who are concerned about this across the country, they're going to be in for a bit of a rude shock in in a couple of seats and in a very finely balanced Parliament where you've got the likes of zali steggall winning seats off the liberals and Helen Haynes in regional Victoria seats that were conservative seats now going to pro climate action, independence and to grains. I think a change is coming and it's not it's not gonna be that far away.

Dan Ilic 34:29

And what is Joffe? It's given doing? What's his play?

Adam Bandt 34:32

Well, he's the, you know, he's Anthony Albanese is handpicked resources spokesperson. So he's given the official line in the Labour Party and he represents a lot of the views that a large section of the Labour Party he's been persistently and the Labour Party's always had these people who events, the lines of the coal and gas industry just like the Liberal Party does as well. And I think he's pushing very, very hard to make sure that I mean, I don't know if you remember. But back when Julia Gillard was in strife, Joel Fitzgibbon was one of the first people to go on television and help tear it down and sit there and basically say, I've got no confidence in my prime minister. And I feel and I think that he's doing the same again, he's out there saying, look, this is what the Labour Party's position is going to be. And if I have to burn down the village to say that I will, and I think sadly, sadly, he's got a lot of support in the Labour Party.

Dan Ilic 35:28

Well, thanks for the optimistic end.

Adam Bandt 35:32

But I think he's got a lot of support, but I don't think it's where it's increasingly it's not where people are at, you know, right. But is this like, yes, let's have a plan for people in the Hunter Valley. I mean, I used to be, before I came to the ski guy represented workers in the Latrobe Valley in coal fired power stations, I think on the only, I don't know, if I'm the only member of parliament, I'm probably the only grain with a picture of the coal fired power station hanging on the wall. It was it was a gift to me from the workers in the unions in the Latrobe Valley after I helped him win a case after privatisation like we've got to have a plan to take to support people, including in the Hunter Valley. So like he's got, he's right to be saying I'm going to fight for the interests of people. But the long term interests of the people in the Hunter Valley or the Latrobe Valley is to is to make sure that their kids don't go to every Christmas Christmas holidays, wondering when the next bushfires going to hit. And so it's about the alternative that I think ultimately would satisfy even you know, the soldiers labour member in coal mining sites is a proper transition plan that looks after those workers gives them mining jobs in other areas that are needed for renewables. But at the moment, they haven't yet beat that bullet.

Dan Ilic 36:45

I think the frustrating thing right now is that now it's like crunch time now is like the time for action. Now is the time to get things done and sorted, and now is the time to do it. And we are doing every single thing that is the opposite of what needs to be done. And that there is no, there's no will there is no ambition. And there is literally only a group of malevolent actors who are doing their worst doing the absolute worst. And that is not what leadership is.

Adam Bandt 37:14

Well, they're the ones that this is where I guess I feel a bit optimistic about it, because but we were in a parliament where there's only got a couple of state majority. So all and we've got there on the cross bench you know, it's a, it's an interesting cross bench. That bit includes, you know, me and Bob katter. And and Wilkie and Helen Hansen's are unstable and, and Rebecca Sharkey. And there's, you know, put Bob katter to one side for the moment all the rest of us actually want to have a moment to act on climate now. All it would take is a couple of in the next election, if there's a small swing and a couple of seats fall, we back in 2010 territory of another power share in Parliament. And I think the prospect there of you know, and maybe another liberal loses their sake to a pro climate independent like zali steggall some way, maybe the greens pick up another seat somewhere, all of a sudden, bang, we are back in a power sharing pond again. And there will be a very, very strong willingness to take action on climate and I think like if you ask people now and the carbon price that we had that was actually working when we had minority Parliament the town yeah but repeal Do you think that effort repealing it was the right thing, people when when people are polled people say no, it wasn't the right thing we, you know, said we'd learnt we learn our lesson after having Tony Abbott. And I think we could be back in that situation again, very, very soon, within a year or two. And then I think things could move very, very quickly. And I think he's built up public pressure, and what ultimately become irresistible. So I feel a bit more optimistic about that.

Dan Ilic 38:51

Yeah, who knows, it could be like the NBN, they might just change their mind or like, you know, you know what, you know, we were wrong about that.

Adam Bandt 38:59

But this is how it works, right? That's what happened with the banking Royal Commission to like, we pushed and pushed and pushed on that. And they said, No, we're never gonna do it. We're never gonna do it, and then bang their tune around one day and said, we're gonna do it, but they're not gonna spend the next six months saying, Oh, yeah, the grains of rice, we better change our policy to them. But the pressure will build up behind the scenes because it's coming from the public and then bang, one day when they realise that their electoral success May May hinge on it, bang, they'll turn around and do something that's that's, and if we can't get this government to do it, I mean, I still think the pathway to action is to turf these government out and get back into a power sharing arrangement and then start counting climate pollution.

Dan Ilic 39:37

It's just the goal of this government right when marriage equality happened in Turnbull's walking around going here, yeah, we brought marriage equality, Australia. And let's go Mo's walk around going Yeah, well, we brought we brought fibre to the home to Australia is like yeah, we're gonna kill you and then fucking fix you up a little bit later, then you can thank us later. Adam van, thank you so much for joining us on irrational

Adam Bandt 39:58

fear. Thank you.

Dan Ilic 40:00

Now to take us out Geraldine, you've got a song all about welcome the audience back to live venues.

Geraldine Quinn 40:07

Yeah, well, yes, as a Victorian It was really wonderful to hear a bit of news about the music industry of Melbourne from dangerous but yeah, I've got a little song just about how it's been a bit weed for us people are used to being on stage in front of other humans. And yeah, I'd be more than happy to share it with you if you give me a moment to pick up my guitar

Dan Ilic 40:29

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